nuckinfutz
Sep 14, 03:39 AM
This nextgen Processor is codenamed "Prescott"
Yes it looks like a 1MB L2 Cache is likely. Xeons are already at 512k so this is the next logical step.
The doubling of the L2 of course raises the transistor count so don't be shocked that the P4 is going from roughly 40million to 100 million. The larger cache is adding many. Prescott is going to be fabbed on 90 nanometer tech so these transistors will be physically smaller.
http://www.chip-architect.com/news/2002_04_16_Prescott_Prospects.html for "over your head info" good stuff
http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1677 Nice also.
The FSB of Prescott will probably be 667mhz but this is NOT Double Pumpled 333mhz. This is still a Quad Pumped bus which now starts out at 166mhz.(166.66 x 4 I believe).
Remember Apple's Top Line G4 supports 166 mhz but it doesn't Double or Quad pump the bus.
How does Apple compete? Well here's my guess.
Perhaps at Macworld San Fran or soon after Apple announces the next G4 based machines. These Computers will be based on 130 nano G4+ chips(the current G4+ are 180 nano chips) . This will allow the G4's to clock to as high as 1.6Ghz.
This allows Apple to prepare for what I think everyone knows is coming. The IBM GPUL Power4 based Proc which should hit late 2003. This Proc would start at 1.8ghz and depending on yields Apple could always offer a Dual Configuration. We'll know how quickly IBM will drop from 130 to 90 nano tech on these procs as soon as Oct 15. So there you have it.
Intel will be shipping 4Ghz P4's
AMD will have 3.4Ghz Rated chips
And shortly after Apple will be at 2Ghz with a 64bit proc.
Will we be faster. Who knows. The IBM Proc is 8way Superscalar with 5 dispatch, It supports 6.4Gbps throughput which puts it on par with where Intel and AMD will be as far as Bandwidth. Apple is clearly not freaking out about this. They're calm and cool so you know something good is coming.
I am mad at apple, their processors suck right now... not to mention their price. Im not gunna spend 3,000 for a computer that I could get with -yes - a worse os, for 1,000. Macs just arent worth it right now. Until they have something that can compete speed wise, my next comp is a PC.
Can you please explain why Apple's using G4's suck? And please since you have it ALL figured out. Tell me what Apple needs to do to fix this. I'm sure we're all ears. ;)
Yes it looks like a 1MB L2 Cache is likely. Xeons are already at 512k so this is the next logical step.
The doubling of the L2 of course raises the transistor count so don't be shocked that the P4 is going from roughly 40million to 100 million. The larger cache is adding many. Prescott is going to be fabbed on 90 nanometer tech so these transistors will be physically smaller.
http://www.chip-architect.com/news/2002_04_16_Prescott_Prospects.html for "over your head info" good stuff
http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1677 Nice also.
The FSB of Prescott will probably be 667mhz but this is NOT Double Pumpled 333mhz. This is still a Quad Pumped bus which now starts out at 166mhz.(166.66 x 4 I believe).
Remember Apple's Top Line G4 supports 166 mhz but it doesn't Double or Quad pump the bus.
How does Apple compete? Well here's my guess.
Perhaps at Macworld San Fran or soon after Apple announces the next G4 based machines. These Computers will be based on 130 nano G4+ chips(the current G4+ are 180 nano chips) . This will allow the G4's to clock to as high as 1.6Ghz.
This allows Apple to prepare for what I think everyone knows is coming. The IBM GPUL Power4 based Proc which should hit late 2003. This Proc would start at 1.8ghz and depending on yields Apple could always offer a Dual Configuration. We'll know how quickly IBM will drop from 130 to 90 nano tech on these procs as soon as Oct 15. So there you have it.
Intel will be shipping 4Ghz P4's
AMD will have 3.4Ghz Rated chips
And shortly after Apple will be at 2Ghz with a 64bit proc.
Will we be faster. Who knows. The IBM Proc is 8way Superscalar with 5 dispatch, It supports 6.4Gbps throughput which puts it on par with where Intel and AMD will be as far as Bandwidth. Apple is clearly not freaking out about this. They're calm and cool so you know something good is coming.
I am mad at apple, their processors suck right now... not to mention their price. Im not gunna spend 3,000 for a computer that I could get with -yes - a worse os, for 1,000. Macs just arent worth it right now. Until they have something that can compete speed wise, my next comp is a PC.
Can you please explain why Apple's using G4's suck? And please since you have it ALL figured out. Tell me what Apple needs to do to fix this. I'm sure we're all ears. ;)
hob
Nov 11, 04:04 AM
Ironically the Japanese site seems to crash Safari on my powerbook...
Firefox works though :rolleyes:
Firefox works though :rolleyes:
jholzner
Oct 10, 09:30 AM
If you ask me, it's pretty clear Apple will update all of its laptops before the holiday season. I personally can't wait to buy a new MB, because my 600 MHz G3 iMac is getting a bit sluggish. My question is this: Will it be a simple CPU upgrade, or will Apple change pricing and/or other hardware (such as HD capacity, RAM, etc.)? Oh, and how long do I have to wait?
Who knows? But, as long as it's taking them to get these procs in the portable line, one would hope it will be a more substantial update.
Who knows? But, as long as it's taking them to get these procs in the portable line, one would hope it will be a more substantial update.
alfredsilver
Dec 23, 07:25 PM
I find that song crass and rude.
But X Factor songs are so cheesy and naff as well.
I prefer the Clash.
But X Factor songs are so cheesy and naff as well.
I prefer the Clash.
Fotek2001
Sep 1, 01:16 AM
So when will us ADC select developers get our hands on a copy, that's what I'd like to know..?
pdc123
Apr 15, 08:08 AM
Let's see...
Most successful desktop operating system: Microsoft Windows.
Most successful server operating system: Microsoft Windows Server.
Most successful office suite: Microsoft Office.
Three good reasons (and there would be more like Exchange Server, Sharepoint Portal, SQL Server, Visual Studio) to also have confidence in the man if he were hired as a product manager.
Like it or not, Microsoft still is the most IMPORTANT software company around, and they don't hire incompetent idiots either.
Before I start, I want to be clear: I see no problem with Apple hiring this guy, I'm sure it was an intelligent, well-reasoned decision regardless of whether or not it works out.
However, you're just being silly.
Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office were entrenched into the market well over a decade ago, but that doesn't make the current incarnation of the company good at new product development any more than AT&T's history would make it automatically the best cell phone carrier. Visual Studio, Exchange, and SQL Server are enterprise level products, and Apple is not primarily an enterprise-driven business. If you exclude the Xbox (which is only just now starting to pull a profit), the last 5-10 years of Microsoft new consumer-level product development is objectively a sad, profitless story.
(As an aside, including Sharepoint in that list is hilarious. Three out of three companies that I've worked for while Sharepoint was around jumped on that bandwagon and abandoned it in disgust in a year or less. As packaged it is a worst-of-everything-but-hey-at-least-you-have-one-of-everything mess.)
Of course, none of this has anything to do with system administration/architecture, which was the point of the post you were replying to. I'll agree, up to a point, that Microsoft's issue is one of vision, direction, and organization, not engineering talent. The up-to-a-point is that you'd have to be a bit of a weenie (or very risk averse) to be top tier graduate talent to have your whole world at your disposal, and of all the possibilities in the world you'd choose Microsoft over a start up, research group, or more, erm, with the times big corporation (e.g. Google).** Of the CS majors I personally knew in my graduating class at MIT, six work for Google. The only one that works for Microsoft was a business major.
** - Unless you were lucky enough to find a specialized group that Microsoft is dumping research money into that happens to align with what you want to do academically.
Most successful desktop operating system: Microsoft Windows.
Most successful server operating system: Microsoft Windows Server.
Most successful office suite: Microsoft Office.
Three good reasons (and there would be more like Exchange Server, Sharepoint Portal, SQL Server, Visual Studio) to also have confidence in the man if he were hired as a product manager.
Like it or not, Microsoft still is the most IMPORTANT software company around, and they don't hire incompetent idiots either.
Before I start, I want to be clear: I see no problem with Apple hiring this guy, I'm sure it was an intelligent, well-reasoned decision regardless of whether or not it works out.
However, you're just being silly.
Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office were entrenched into the market well over a decade ago, but that doesn't make the current incarnation of the company good at new product development any more than AT&T's history would make it automatically the best cell phone carrier. Visual Studio, Exchange, and SQL Server are enterprise level products, and Apple is not primarily an enterprise-driven business. If you exclude the Xbox (which is only just now starting to pull a profit), the last 5-10 years of Microsoft new consumer-level product development is objectively a sad, profitless story.
(As an aside, including Sharepoint in that list is hilarious. Three out of three companies that I've worked for while Sharepoint was around jumped on that bandwagon and abandoned it in disgust in a year or less. As packaged it is a worst-of-everything-but-hey-at-least-you-have-one-of-everything mess.)
Of course, none of this has anything to do with system administration/architecture, which was the point of the post you were replying to. I'll agree, up to a point, that Microsoft's issue is one of vision, direction, and organization, not engineering talent. The up-to-a-point is that you'd have to be a bit of a weenie (or very risk averse) to be top tier graduate talent to have your whole world at your disposal, and of all the possibilities in the world you'd choose Microsoft over a start up, research group, or more, erm, with the times big corporation (e.g. Google).** Of the CS majors I personally knew in my graduating class at MIT, six work for Google. The only one that works for Microsoft was a business major.
** - Unless you were lucky enough to find a specialized group that Microsoft is dumping research money into that happens to align with what you want to do academically.
Foggy
Oct 9, 04:28 PM
DVD's are obviously pretty profitable or they wouldnt bother selling them, so what they are saying is if the movie companies let Apple sell movies they are gonna cut off their noses to spite their face and pull a really profitable sales line? I dont think so - ********* idiots.
Dreadnought
May 25, 01:06 PM
Well, two posts are better then one, so, I also posted. :D
IntelliUser
Apr 3, 01:20 PM
You mean we can't spend significantly less money on taxes and have the same quality of government? Shocker... :rolleyes:
Yeah but some states have increased or set taxes virtually on everything and still managed to overspend their budget *cough*California*cough*.
Gotta find a balance.
Yeah but some states have increased or set taxes virtually on everything and still managed to overspend their budget *cough*California*cough*.
Gotta find a balance.
kgeier82
May 23, 08:13 PM
Hope everyone is enjoying the beta. I pre-ordered from gamestop about 3 weeks ago, and went to get my key Thursday of last week.
Guy told me the last day to pick up a Beta key was wednesday. Missed it by one day! WTF.
My dates could be wrong, but I believe it was thursday.
Guy told me the last day to pick up a Beta key was wednesday. Missed it by one day! WTF.
My dates could be wrong, but I believe it was thursday.
LuckRunsOut
Mar 24, 05:58 PM
Just picked up a 16GB wifi here in San Antonio at the Verizon store off DeZavala. They said they actually had a lot left in stock. :apple:
myjellyass
Mar 28, 09:14 AM
My prediction:
Lion and iOS5 functionality is shown which enables 'Home on iPhone', as suggested by Cult of Mac.
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/03/18/nfc-to-enable-home-on-iphone-remote-computing/
iMac and iPhone hardware is also previewed which demonstrates this ability. This would nicely tie together new releases of the two operating systems as well as the launch of their move to the cloud and would explain why they're bringing the two operating systems together to a single event for the first time.
Lion and iOS5 functionality is shown which enables 'Home on iPhone', as suggested by Cult of Mac.
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/03/18/nfc-to-enable-home-on-iphone-remote-computing/
iMac and iPhone hardware is also previewed which demonstrates this ability. This would nicely tie together new releases of the two operating systems as well as the launch of their move to the cloud and would explain why they're bringing the two operating systems together to a single event for the first time.
LIVEFRMNYC
Dec 27, 06:48 PM
LOL ...... Your right.
I put in my Zip Code (Queens, NY) on the AT&T website and click on the Iphone and it said not available in your area.
So I did an ONLINE CHAT :D .........................
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/7954/attiphone.jpg (http://img37.imageshack.us/i/attiphone.jpg/)
I put in my Zip Code (Queens, NY) on the AT&T website and click on the Iphone and it said not available in your area.
So I did an ONLINE CHAT :D .........................
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/7954/attiphone.jpg (http://img37.imageshack.us/i/attiphone.jpg/)
NVRsayNVR
Nov 11, 01:55 AM
Wonder how long these ads will last! It's funny, I knew exactly what they were saying. Guess I speak Japanese now :D
byulasfjazz
Aug 19, 10:21 AM
YEP! - But how many people say "do you have a Facebook" when you first meet them and add them later in the day? Also, haven't you heard about the privacy issues, you surely must not live under a rock!
I dont add them.. I swear to you im not a grinch.. I just ignore it. unless I know people well.. I dont add them. Some of my co-workers I dont even add.
If you trust someone enough to see all the things you do on facebook.. you should be able to trust they are not going to KILL or ROB you..
Why do people add others they dont really know?? are we having a contest to see who has the most friends?
Am I alone when only adding people I KNOW I will hang out with or talk to on a normal basis??
I dont add them.. I swear to you im not a grinch.. I just ignore it. unless I know people well.. I dont add them. Some of my co-workers I dont even add.
If you trust someone enough to see all the things you do on facebook.. you should be able to trust they are not going to KILL or ROB you..
Why do people add others they dont really know?? are we having a contest to see who has the most friends?
Am I alone when only adding people I KNOW I will hang out with or talk to on a normal basis??
leekohler
Apr 23, 09:28 AM
No- he's a jerk.
avigalante
Mar 26, 04:10 PM
After all the posts on Apple v. Google, this should really be pg. 1 news...
randname
Nov 19, 04:15 AM
First, it would be patented material, not copyrighted material. And patent infringement, especially design patents, is really quite easy to pursue.
Quite possibly there are no actual patents covering the design of the case (would not pass requirement for non-obviousness or inventive step, unless some exotic materials are used, for example). What they no doubt have is an industrial design right to the case, which are called design patents in the US. They might also have trademark protection on shape. And, naturally, a contract with the actual manufacturer, which might pursue the person for stealing their products, if the products are not legally the property of Apple. This would not be an option if they are produced by some third party. There may be copyrights involved, if the product is deemed to pass the "threshold of originality". Some countries have laws on good business practices, which may apply in this case.
All in all, if it seems unlikely that a 17-year old kid could legally sell this stuff and make a bundle, it is probably true.
Quite possibly there are no actual patents covering the design of the case (would not pass requirement for non-obviousness or inventive step, unless some exotic materials are used, for example). What they no doubt have is an industrial design right to the case, which are called design patents in the US. They might also have trademark protection on shape. And, naturally, a contract with the actual manufacturer, which might pursue the person for stealing their products, if the products are not legally the property of Apple. This would not be an option if they are produced by some third party. There may be copyrights involved, if the product is deemed to pass the "threshold of originality". Some countries have laws on good business practices, which may apply in this case.
All in all, if it seems unlikely that a 17-year old kid could legally sell this stuff and make a bundle, it is probably true.
Stevamundo
Feb 18, 11:12 AM
This is the photo is full size:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse/5455525432/sizes/o/in/photostream/
He does look scarily thin�
Steve Jobs has always looked �scarily thin� ever since his liver transplant.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse/5455525432/sizes/o/in/photostream/
He does look scarily thin�
Steve Jobs has always looked �scarily thin� ever since his liver transplant.
TheMacBookPro
Apr 25, 08:20 AM
Thunderbolt will solve this. TB to Gigabit Ethernet adapter will definitely deliver 1Gb/s (800Mb/s due to 8/10b encoding).
Still, my point stands- you need to purchase another adapter, carry it around, and have it dangle off your computer when a simple internal ethernet port would solve the problem.
They should, at the very least, bundle it with a 1k+ computer (like they used to).
Still, my point stands- you need to purchase another adapter, carry it around, and have it dangle off your computer when a simple internal ethernet port would solve the problem.
They should, at the very least, bundle it with a 1k+ computer (like they used to).
garybUK
Nov 14, 09:42 AM
I fly between Manchester and New Jersey (Newark) a Lot, like 7 or 8 times a year for personal reasons :)
Anyway, I fly a mixture of KLM / Northwest Airlines, Continental or British Airways, it would be pretty cool, though most of the time I use my ipod whilst sat in the lounge then when on board I watch their movies, they offer like 6 of them and some good comedy channels.
Then again if I loaded some movies onto my ipod I could probably watch them, its just deciding before you go what mood your in!
Anyway, I fly a mixture of KLM / Northwest Airlines, Continental or British Airways, it would be pretty cool, though most of the time I use my ipod whilst sat in the lounge then when on board I watch their movies, they offer like 6 of them and some good comedy channels.
Then again if I loaded some movies onto my ipod I could probably watch them, its just deciding before you go what mood your in!
Dreadnought
Jun 13, 12:05 PM
I routinely hack into your dual G5 and make sure that you get lots of Tinkers. This way I don't feel like I'm hindering the effort but I can still cripple you...:D
Your IP address is 127.0.0.1 correct?
Isn't that the IP of Quadra840? I already crippled him by shutting down his power once in a while. He was getting to close. And about those Stinkers, My normal production output is at 300, but with all these Stinkers I'm lucky if my average is 200 a day. We should all complain by Stanford, maybe we can do something about it and get a bit more gromacs.
Your IP address is 127.0.0.1 correct?
Isn't that the IP of Quadra840? I already crippled him by shutting down his power once in a while. He was getting to close. And about those Stinkers, My normal production output is at 300, but with all these Stinkers I'm lucky if my average is 200 a day. We should all complain by Stanford, maybe we can do something about it and get a bit more gromacs.
finalcut
May 1, 07:10 AM
Finalcut, the GameStop copy may say "PC" but Blizzard's games are playable on both Mac and PC using the same disc. Even on GameStop if you open up the System Requirements, under OS it says "Windows / Mac."
That being said, the code that GameStop is usable for both PCs and Macs. The code activates the game in your Battle.net account, from there you can either download the PC installer or the Mac installer. I'm downloading the Mac installer right now (I got the code about 1.5 hours ago but I was in the middle of a final) and it says it will take about 70 minutes to complete (big file...).
Excited to play, even if it is a little glitchy at first I've been waiting for this game for a LONG time, wish I would've known I could've entered the beta before now. I have the newest Core i7 15" MBP so it'll be interesting to see how it handles that hardware, it should be plenty capable.ahh thanks for the clarifications
I'm gonna pre-order then
That being said, the code that GameStop is usable for both PCs and Macs. The code activates the game in your Battle.net account, from there you can either download the PC installer or the Mac installer. I'm downloading the Mac installer right now (I got the code about 1.5 hours ago but I was in the middle of a final) and it says it will take about 70 minutes to complete (big file...).
Excited to play, even if it is a little glitchy at first I've been waiting for this game for a LONG time, wish I would've known I could've entered the beta before now. I have the newest Core i7 15" MBP so it'll be interesting to see how it handles that hardware, it should be plenty capable.ahh thanks for the clarifications
I'm gonna pre-order then
MisterMe
Sep 20, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by onemoof
Although you are correct that there is a HUGE premium on the top of the line Power Mac. The simple fact is that only corporations buy those machines. The lower end Power Mac is targeted more for actual people so the pricing is much more reasonable.
Does your "simple fact" mean that I am a corporation and not an actual person? Please don't break the news to my mom.
Originally posted by onemoof
(Also the laws of economics dictate that the price of any product is exactly the price that people are willing to pay, and has no relation to how "fair" the price is.)
Agreed.
Although you are correct that there is a HUGE premium on the top of the line Power Mac. The simple fact is that only corporations buy those machines. The lower end Power Mac is targeted more for actual people so the pricing is much more reasonable.
Does your "simple fact" mean that I am a corporation and not an actual person? Please don't break the news to my mom.
Originally posted by onemoof
(Also the laws of economics dictate that the price of any product is exactly the price that people are willing to pay, and has no relation to how "fair" the price is.)
Agreed.
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